Joy stick question

Ok I have tried several older sticks and I keep coming back to my tried and true (all be it very OLD)
Logitech Wingman Extreme.
Note not Digital, Not 3d but it's the old 15 pin analog that I have a serial to USB adapter on.

What ever works right?

It's great for copters and I can fly them very well, but when it comes to jets, 90% I get smoked.

It feels like I take 3/4 of the map to turn the planes around, and no matter what I do I can not shake people off my tail (er in planes that is..) and I can follow people in dog fights at all, there always out turning me.

I'm wondering if it's the response from my ancient stick thru the USB adapter that makes me a sky turtle.

I do have a USB 2.0 port on the back of the PC but before I go out and possibly buy (more like Ebay) a new digital USB stick, do you think it would help?

Well maybe I suck, maybe it's the stick. I have a newer Saitek USB 2.0 stick and it takes me large loops in the jets. I also have trouble with people on my tail and trying to shake them, but I think that is more to do with my "suck" factor.

Does your joystick (no not that one) have a "twist" function that allows you to use the rudder? Using the rudder, as well as banking and turning, I can turn the planes much more quickly than without using the rudder. I also use the thrusters some as even if your radius is large, you at least are going faster 🙂

Not that you should necessarily be taking flying advice from me or anything, but the most effective missle evasion maneuver that is out there (as far as I can tell) is to roll/turn/rudder hard one direction and hit your thrusters. You should be able to break lock with that. If you are not in the J-10 you are already at a disadvantage, but use that move to gain distance, get into the "fog" and try to lose the guy completely. Then gain altitude to get above him and try to find him again before he finds you.

Someone who is more of pilot should probably be giving advice here though....

I use the thrusters to help my turns. I didn't know about the twist aspect. I'll give that a shot as well.

id say sarge and atomm are on point. i can spent a good deal of time up there without getting shot down. well that is... unless im in that flying heap of trashcan metal on the us side called the f35b or something. if your up against a decent pilot in a j-10 your done for. back to your question. id say a new joystick would help. that is if you dont have a twist function for rudder control. what sarge suggested is pretty much what i do whenever i have a bogey on me. BANK HARD (with rudder as well) change direction.. be it up down or full turn the other way... then hit the thrusters and head for cover. when following enemies. try to follow the lines the wings of your enemy make instead of trying to keep them in the middle of your sights. all the while having your weapon selected for ground attack. that way they dont think anybody has a lock them anymore. then when they fly straight again after wasting flares and now heading for their next target.... switch to air to air missiles and smoke em. some machine gunning while your right behind em works too.

I had an old joystick. it just did not work right for me for some reason. I spent the cash and got a nice Saitek X52 system. I think it is the best out there right now. It made a HUGE difference for me. The jets do not seem like they are all over the place and I can actually fly descent with them now. The stick does make a difference.

One hint to get out of danger is to perform a Immelmann. Look it up 😉

Thanks guys.
Yes I do have twist on the stick 😳

Pal I'm familiar with Immelmann (even to the point of knowing WHO Max Immelmann is....)
All I ever played before BF1942 came out were / are flight sims.

In the back of my head I think I'm going to end up with the Saitek X52 sooner or later......

So I think it's the old stick that's just old.

pauwder,

having your weapon selected for ground attack. that way they dont think anybody has a lock them anymore. then when they fly straight again after wasting flares and now heading for their next target.... switch to air to air missiles and smoke em.

Good one! Never occurred to me, I'll have to "give it a shot"

when following enemies. try to follow the lines the wings of your enemy make instead of trying to keep them in the middle of your sights.

There is some of the problem right there. Say I'm following someone in Oman. They have an F35 I have the Mig.
Starting and level he gets the AA tone from me and cranks hard right. No up No down just hard right.
He will ALLWAYS turn inside me. I'll see them crank towards the right side of my monitor as I make a 60% wider turn.

If we were to hold the same rate I'll bet they would with in 1 1/2 revolutions, be inside and on my tail.

So I think even though the stick is at full lock, the game has more input - or a greater resolution than what my old girl can provide.

i see what your saying. you may indeed be at a techical disadvantage if you cant follow a f35 in a mig or j-10. however this follow the wind break (dunno what they are really called) lines tip really works for me. keep it in mind when you get a new JS. often i will let the enemy jet fly right out of sight and continue to follow the lines. this is only needed if there is some distance between you. the idea being that your always following them line for line and not ending up at the wrong angle after any drastic move he makes.

Good points pauwder thanks