Need Windows XP SP2

My ebay auctions end this week and I hope to order my new computer parts. One thing I learned is PCI-E graphics are not supported in XP until SP2. Do any of you have a copy of XP with SP2 slipstreamed into it that you could send me?

I'd try to do it myself, but I am back to Linux and I'm not sure how easy it would be for me to do.

I have a legitimate key, so that shouldn't be a problem.

I might Atomm, let me look. I know I do with my dell OEMs but I think I made one with my one full blown at one point.

It should be able to treat the pci-e as a std vga until you get to installign the SP shouldn't it? huh... never had to deal with that I guess

I read you have to put a PCI video card in the system first. I've got an old 16MB one around here somewhere, but I hated to put that in a new load.

Thanks for checking.

I think I have one if Bubba doesn't.

First PCI-E should not cause you any problems installing XP with SP1 as far as I know. So Atomm you should not need SP2 for that.

Install XP as normal and just install any drivers for your MB, including PCI-E, once it is done. XP can actually install generic video drivers for the install and you simply install the other drivers once it is up and running. I have done this. Now if your MB is has a driver that is so different or there is another issue I am unaware of then I apologize but I have never had this issue. Worse case there should be a driver available for your MB to install this driver, as is with SATA, with the F6 during setup as I mentioned before and below.

The only issue you usually have to worry about with an XP SP1 CD (and sometimes still with an SP2 CD) is that XP SP1 install CD's have problems with tryign to install to a SATA drive as I mentioned in previous messages. XP simply cannot see the HD to install onto because of the controller. It has no knowledge of the SATA controller so it cannot see the HD so cannot even begin to install.

If you will be running a SATA drive you will need to get a floppy for your controller and hit F6 when the install starts. I explained this in Sindy's Seagate post.

Second you cannot just use any XP CD as they can vary from one install to another as far as the key.
The retail version is the only exception. You could get the retail XP Cd but would need a key for the retail version.

Just remember that a Dell CD will not install on a non Dell etc... computer etc...

If for some reason you need to slipstream your own, I know how to do it.

Paladin,

I really appreciate you trying to help, but did you read my post?

I'd do this myself if I had a working window system. 😛

Atomm wrote:
Paladin,

I really appreciate you trying to help, but did you read my post?

I'd do this myself if I had a working window system. 😛

Yes I did and I understood that. I was just saying it in case anyone else needed help.

I still do not believe you need it. I have never had a problem installing XP SP1 on a system with PCI-E.
As I said, windows will usually just use generic drivers until you get going.

Maybe your system is different. I was just trying to help.

What is slipstreamed?
I have an oem sp2 disk I could send.
I actually need to send a few disks off soon to my brother so if the other boys don't come up with one, it wouldn't be a big deal for me to send it off to you.
But hell if I know if they are slipstreamed?

Slipstreaming is making a "new" XP cd that includes service packs 1 and 2.

http://maximumpc.com/2005/01/how_to_slipstre.html

You can google for a bunch of others as well.

It's cool Hymen. OEM wouldn't do me much good.

I'll just wing it and see where it gets me.....

BTW, just ordered my new stuff from NewEgg.

E6400 Conroe 2.13 Duo 2 Core
Gigabyte Mobo 1033/800Mhz FSB
2 GB 800Mhz memory
New Fans (double bearing or something fancy sounding that is suppose to be quiet as well) to keep it all cool this time.
New power supply to keep it running this time... ;-)
Got a new SATA 250GB Seagate HD and a SATA DVD Burner

This will be my first DVD burner and I am excited to finally back up my web stuff and personal pics. I've been living too close to the edge for too long.....

So now I am Vista ready, but I am still going to run XP until I get a good reason not too.....

I opted for the 3 day shipping and took the difference between 2 and 3 day for an upgraded processor. I may or may not be online Friday Night. If nothing else, hopefully I will be putting it all together and pulling out what little hair I have left..... ;-)

Now I just gotta get all this ebay stuff shipped to pay for it..... 😛

you ordered a set for me right?

I'm dieing to do some upgrades if for no other reason than to upgrade something....

Atomm wrote:

E6400 Conroe 2.13 Duo 2 Core
Gigabyte Mobo 1033/800Mhz FSB
2 GB 800Mhz memory
New Fans (double bearing or something fancy sounding that is suppose to be quiet as well) to keep it all cool this time.
New power supply to keep it running this time... ;-)
Got a new SATA 250GB Seagate HD and a SATA DVD Burner

This will be my first DVD burner and I am excited to finally back up my web stuff and personal pics. I've been living too close to the edge for too long.....

So now I am Vista ready, but I am still going to run XP until I get a good reason not too.....

Sounds like a nice system man. I said it before but am just trying to help, put the SATA controller driver for XP on a floppy now. You WILL need it. 😉
Tell me what model MB it is and I will find it for you if you need it.

Sorry I just like helping people if I can....

Your first DVD burner??? So that is where Geico gets them..... 😉

What is this Floppy you speak of?

<--------- Floppyless for 2+ years.

I guess I can put the power supply in first, then burn the drivers to a CD before gutting my old system.

Ha!!
He calls you a caveman for not having a DVD Burner, and then tells you to use a floppy!!!

👍

I bet he even uses that archaic IDE stuff too...... 😛

Bubbaspanky wrote:
Ha!!
He calls you a caveman for not having a DVD Burner, and then tells you to use a floppy!!!

Sad part is Bubba, that is the ONLY way to do it. The XP install does not see the driver on anything but a floppy drive. How freaking sad is that???? 😉

Atomm. I thought I covered the floppy thing enough times now... 😉
Damn, you do not have any floppy at all??? You can get external USB ones very cheap.

Now you are thinking "Hey paladin if you can use a USB floppy connection, why can't it see it on a USB memory stick?" I do not think it can as it looks for the floppy drive A: it is very lame. Unless you can get the system to think the USB drive is A: somehow..There may be a way around it but I am unsure how off hand. I can research it. I just used the floppy and it works well.

Anyway the problem is the XP SP1 CD simply does not see SATA controllers so cannot see your HD to install the OS to. XP SP1 will simply report that you do not have a HD in your system. I am unsure if this is the case with SP2. It may or may not have the SATA drivers on it and it may work without the extra driver. I am just unsure. It all depdns on the controller chip your MB uses. See it is usually the RAID controller chip that causes the problems, not the SATA generic drivers. Even though you do not use the RAID driver for this.

What model MB are you using? I wil find the floppy driver for you like I did for Sindy.

Anyway you will need a driver for your SATA controller on a floppy. When booting from the XP CD you will see a message on the blue screen to press F6 to specify extra drivers. Do it! You won't see anything much happen right away but if you hit F6 in time the setup will get to a point that it asks you for the floppy with the driver on it. You simply stick the floppy in and it reads it and gives you the options of which driver on that floppy to use. usually just use the non RAID one. Usually the first option. Usually the RAID one won't work at this stage but again, your mileage may vary.

Thats actually it. The setup then continues as normal and will now see the SATA drive.

Palandin, I just do want to point out, there are certainly some systems that can install SATA without a driver at the SCSI part of Windows setup. I have not ever had an issue with a Dell in that regards. I beleive I had an ASUS that didn't have an issue with it either. The Dell makes some sense because it was an OEM WinXP that probably had the bus drivers built in. But I have only run into this once in all the installs I do. But a majority of my work is on Dells.

Bubbaspanky wrote:
Palandin, I just do want to point out, there are certainly some systems that can install SATA without a driver at the SCSI part of Windows setup. I have not ever had an issue with a Dell in that regards. I beleive I had an ASUS that didn't have an issue with it either. The Dell makes some sense because it was an OEM WinXP that probably had the bus drivers built in. But I have only run into this once in all the installs I do. But a majority of my work is on Dells.

We use mainly Dell's here at work and most of my experience with this issue is on SATA equipped Dell machines.
I have also needed it at home on my self built computer as well as other brands here and there.

I believe some Dells may not have a problem if they do not have a RAID controller chip inside as XP will then use generic drivers as they are native channels, instead of a seperate controller chip. It is the RAID controller equipped MB's that seem to have the issues.

Most better Dimension model Dells(which we usually get) these days do support RAID though so I have to use the floppy method with an XP SP1 CD install.

Maybe you are buying Dells without the RAID option or, as you said, your XP install CD already has them.

I am talking using the retail XP CD. Or the generic XP install CD provided by the University that I use for all of my installs.
I also have used my MSDN volume licensed XP install CD with SP2 on it that did not have the issue I think. From what I can remember.

You could be right though Bubba, Atomm may or may not have this problem as most good MB's you buy support RAID but his XP CD may already has some drivers on it.

This is usually not a huge issue if you have a floppy drive. Having an external USB floppy drive is really a good idea. Just in case. They are very cheap as well. Sub $20.

Hmmmm, sounds like a slipstreamed XP2 CD would really come in handy.....

I'll just put the power supply in, create one, then gut my system.... :-)

Update: I did some research on this mobo and found the following:

There was a setting in the bios to have sata read as ide.

Apparently, this allowed the person to install Windows to the SATA without drivers. How freaking sweet is that?

Also, it seems the biggest issue is the guys trying to install Windows to Raid 0 because this mobo uses a seperate chipset for Raid instead of the standard Intel Northbridge Raid.

I also read something about this working smoother if you have a SATA Optical drive instead of an IDE drive.

It was also suggested you could use a USB thumb drive for the driver, so I should be set. If worse comes to worse, I'll break out that floppy drive in my file cabinet.... 😉

I guess I will find out how well this will work, but at least I'm prepared to deal with it.

Atomm wrote:
Update: I did some research on this mobo and found the following:
Apparently, this allowed the person to install Windows to the SATA without drivers. How freaking sweet is that?

Also, it seems the biggest issue is the guys trying to install Windows to Raid 0 because this mobo uses a seperate chipset for Raid instead of the standard Intel Northbridge Raid.

I also read something about this working smoother if you have a SATA Optical drive instead of an IDE drive.

It was also suggested you could use a USB thumb drive for the driver, so I should be set. If worse comes to worse, I'll break out that floppy drive in my file cabinet.... 😉

I guess I will find out how well this will work, but at least I'm prepared to deal with it.

Even if you are not installing as RAID the chipset is still used, hence the problem. If your MB can trick it as you mentioned, that would be cool. 😉

I have never read or seen a way to get a USB drive to work for the F6 driver part. If you do, let me know.
XP insists that it be from the A: drive. If you can trick the system to mount the USB drive as A: it "may" work I guess but XP wants A: with no re-direct option.

I am sure some smart people out there figured out a way though 😉

Well, my stuff is in Dallas.... I should have it tomorrow.... We will see how well the install goes... Maybe I'll make it to BF2 before the night is up....

Atomm wrote:
Well, my stuff is in Dallas.... I should have it tomorrow.... We will see how well the install goes... Maybe I'll make it to BF2 before the night is up....

That's pretty ambitious, but I hope you make it.

Good luck with the new build/install.

DocJon wrote:
That's pretty ambitious, but I hope you make it.

Good luck with the new build/install.

Depends. I have built systems in a few hours.
Lets see about 2 hours for the average person with a clue to stick the MB in etc.. I put my new system together in under 1 but have done so many now.

About 1 hour to install the OS then about 30m-1 hour for BF2 with patches etc...

HE could do it in 4 hours easy as all times were generous. This is of course if there are no real problems to deal with.

So if he gets the install going by 5 his time he should be in by 9 his time which is 10 ours.

😉

Sindy will you be playing tonight? Bubba how is your back man?

Hardware is all put together. I spent a little extra time making the cables all purty and stuff.....

Now to put this thread to the test..... I may or may not be seeing you later.....

Paladin wrote:
Sad part is Bubba, that is the ONLY way to do it. The XP install does not see the driver on anything but a floppy drive. How freaking sad is that???? 😉

Goodness, I disappear for two weeks, and I come back to see a problem I could/perhaps can be of some assistance on.

Thing is, these problems are no longer present in the newer (read: SP2 and newer) Windows XP CD's.

Atomm, if you could still use it, let me know. I didn't have to do any of this non-sense with floppies, and my base XP install CD already has the service packs integrated.

Running a Gigabyte MB myself. had no issues with the PCI-E or SATA on install of Windows XP. But then, who better to build a slip-streamed install CD than MS themselves, eh?

Thanks Drix. I actually built my system, then created a slipstream disk and rebuilt it again. Everything seems to have went perfect the second time around.