The perfect song

Started by DocJon · 23 posts · 3,633 views

  1. #1
    OK, things are kind of slow, outside of posting pictures of suggestively-named fowl and the"Being John Malkovich" meets "Eating Raul" ramblings in the spam thread, so here we go: The Perfect Song.

    Now, when I talk about the Perfect Song, I don't mean one that is necessarily my FAVORITE song, or one that is done by my favorite artist. I mean one that I've listened to many, many times over the years, and as I have, I've grown to notice every element (well, as much as a non-musician can), and I marvel at how each part plays it's role in the song. A song that couldn't be improved by adding anything to it, taking anything away from it, or altering any existing part.

    I have found three candidates for the perfect song in my life. One, after a couple years deliberation, I was forced to admit had a weak portion, and so I dismissed it as merely awesome.

    The second song, I knew about around the same time as the first, but it took years of listening to it to recognize it's genius, and I have yet to determine a weak point. The vocals, the guitar, the synth, the drums, the sax. . .all beautiful, all tastefully done, all subservient to the song. Great performances that do not stand in the way of the song, but serve it.

    Close your eyes and listen.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybvcRSF_VNA

    Yes, yes, I know. I'm somewhat embarrassed that it's a pop song, but it's a finely crafted and produced pop song. Martha Davis had that whiny cry in her voice in EVERYTHING she sang, but it works to perfection here. I love a lot of female singers, many of which could be said to be much better than Martha, but none would have worked better for THIS SONG than her.

    Play the song again, and notice how the song starts slowly, and how intimate the vocals in the beginning are. . .then the drums kick in, and the song starts building. Notice the tasteful guitar fills(hard to do here, due to the quality, and it's the best version I could find). The guitar solo begins, and it's sweetly restrained. Martha's vocals had been building in intensity, but the guitar solo doesn't release that tension. Instead, it builds it further. . .THEN the sax solo kicks in, a musical scream compared to the relative restraint displayed up to that point. Then much like an emotional argument or crying jag that's drained the energy out of you, it peters out and fades away.

    It's a short song, so there isn't much opportunity for weak sections. I suppose that if it DOES have a weak point, it's that the lyrics are perhaps not as evocative as they might be. The do promote a mood, but not necessarily images in my mind. Still, Martha's sobbing vocals sell them well.

    I'll talk about the near-miss perfect song (mentioned above) later, and if no one else mentions it, I'll talk about the song that has been creeping up on me as another candidate for "perfect song".

    Give it some thought, post your "perfect song", and tell us why it's perfect.
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    EVERY TIME I hear that song all I think about is week end long beer binges while at my professional level school for the Army in Huntsville Alabama - good memories, but we always sang -Only the HOMELY GET LAID.

    Reminds me of a time when we had a toga party out side the barracks and some black up your ass E7 busted us up for looking like a KKK meeting, so my buddy went and put a blue sheet on - we were rolling on the grass drunk as skunks laughing our asses off at how pissed the black guy was at Ed, he tried to get 60 some people sent to the brig, the MP's just laughed at him when all 2 of them showed up. We agreed to put our street close back on for the MP's and they agreed to let us keep on partying, the black dude was pissed but could do nothing about it we were off duty.


    And can't get that line out of my head. Only the HOMELY GET LAID.

    Good song for much different reasons.
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    Well, I did give this some thought. For me, the perfect song tells a story and it crosses boundaries. I've known a lot of different music types and every single one has always agreed this is one of the best. It's the only country song I ever remember seeing on MTV. Not only does it tell a darn fine story, but not many songs can get away with building the pace, then killing it, over and over like this song.


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    I have to disagree with both selections. The perfect song should tell a story, begining to end should have peaks and climaxes of an epic such as lord of the rings, or Homers Illiad or Oddysee. And it should ultimately require some skill to perform. I don't agree that anyone with a whiny voice should receive any type of notoriety, I find it repulsive and unbecoming a talented singer.
    Here are my two selections for the nomination.

    This one is an obvious choice, however many of you will disagree with my second selection.
    White Walls
    This song transitions from a smooth melodic bass solo in "Viridian", and starts out at a driving pace. It moves and flows there the music takes it, to the end with a sweeping emotional climax to the song, then slows back down to a piano outro. In my opinion that is a perfect song
  5. #5
    Damn.... Leave it to an aficionado to spoil all the fun.....

  6. #6
    I don't that I have a "perfect" song but there are several that resonate with me for some reason. I'll try to take some time tonight and post on them.
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    ninjai wrote:I have to disagree with both selections. The perfect song should tell a story, begining to end should have peaks and climaxes of an epic such as lord of the rings, or Homers Illiad or Oddysee. And it should ultimately require some skill to perform. I don't agree that anyone with a whiny voice should receive any type of notoriety, I find it repulsive and unbecoming a talented singer.
    Here are my two selections for the nomination.

    This one is an obvious choice, however many of you will disagree with my second selection.
    White Walls
    This song transitions from a smooth melodic bass solo in "Viridian", and starts out at a driving pace. It moves and flows there the music takes it, to the end with a sweeping emotional climax to the song, then slows back down to a piano outro. In my opinion that is a perfect song


    Bah! I'd take out the piano in the first and replace it with screaming electric guitar. The second needs a new vocalist:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWac5UT80no

    I've come t realize that I don't hate cookie monster vocals. I just hate them when they're done by anyone but the actual Cookie Monster.

    😀
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    R.E.M. - 7 Chinese Brothers. I've always loved the guitar in this song and for that reason it is perfect.



    Big Star - September Gurls. Simply one of the greatest pop songs in existence. This is the best audio that I could find but the original (1972) is simply excellent. Catchy lyrics and a great hook. What more can you ask for in a pop song?



    Superchunk - Driveway to Driveway. Another great pop song. I love the fade out at the end.

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    Duck wrote:EVERY TIME I hear that song all I think about is week end long beer binges while at my professional level school for the Army in Huntsville Alabama - good memories, but we always sang -Only the HOMELY GET LAID.

    Reminds me of a time when we had a toga party out side the barracks and some black up your ass E7 busted us up for looking like a KKK meeting, so my buddy went and put a blue sheet on - we were rolling on the grass drunk as skunks laughing our asses off at how pissed the black guy was at Ed, he tried to get 60 some people sent to the brig, the MP's just laughed at him when all 2 of them showed up. We agreed to put our street close back on for the MP's and they agreed to let us keep on partying, the black dude was pissed but could do nothing about it we were off duty.


    And can't get that line out of my head. Only the HOMELY GET LAID.

    Good song for much different reasons.

    🤣 At least you enjoyed it and it brought back good memories.

    This thread is an example of how different ppl experience the same thing in different ways. Sarge, I've heard September Gurls many times, and it was in my ~700 song daily rotation directory for awhile (random play). I ended up pulling it, though. It just didn't grab me, yet obviously something about it draws you in.

    Many songs don't tell a story. Many song lyrics set a mood, evoke imagery, like poems. Some songs leave me with a WTF when I try to put together coherent thoughts from their lyrics, but I still enjoy them. I've long thought that I'd be crap at both songwriting and poetry because I would insist on the storytelling thing. Though obviously it can be made to work (Chapin, Croce, etc), I think it would be a plus if I were a songwriter and were able to let my mind wander away from the literal, at least occasionally. I like a lot of songs that tell stories, but I don't need them to.


  10. #10
    I started a thread some time ago on a drum forum I frequent.
    It was similar but instead of the perfect song it was a song that is just above the rest to you. I mean one that you hit the volume to turn up and get a warm fuzzy when you hear it. One that just rocks above a lot of others to you.

    So while I do not think there is a perfect song as everyone is so different. I can name some that are a cut above for me. These songs just really hit me for some reason.

    Queensryche - Silent Lucidity
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3QSkux3vcQ

    Damn just getting that link it came on and it just really makes me feel good.
    I really like Queensryche and think they are VERY underrated.

    Sweet Child O' Mine from Guns N Roses.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-AYAv0IoWI
    One of the best songs they ever did. Maybe THE best.

    There is another lesser knows hit that I REALLY love. It has Alice Cooper in it.
    Guns N' Roses - The Garden
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2GIGPrOnbU...feature=related
    This is just a freking awesome song!

    I will list some Pink Floyd ones while I am here.

    "Hey You," "Comfortably Numb" and "Mother" all from The Wall. All of these songs really get to me. No wonder it is my favorite Album of all time. 🙂
    The problem with Floyd is there are so many so I will just leave those listed.

    I have a few others a bit older like:

    Poison - Every Rose Has it's Thorn
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu2DA4I4TGw

    Poison - Something to Believe In
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe71zCA5xFQ...feature=related

    BTW Poison is from Pittsburgh 🙂


    Just a few that are very personal to me.
  11. #11
    I knew there was something wrong with Poison..... 😛

    Something To Believe In is an awesome song. Very moving.
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    Paladin wrote:I started a thread some time ago on a drum forum I frequent.
    It was similar but instead of the perfect song it was a song that is just above the rest to you. I mean one that you hit the volume to turn up and get a warm fuzzy when you hear it. One that just rocks above a lot of others to you.

    So while I do not think there is a perfect song as everyone is so different. I can name some that are a cut above for me. These songs just really hit me for some reason.

    Queensryche - Silent Lucidity
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3QSkux3vcQ

    Damn just getting that link it came on and it just really makes me feel good.
    I really like Queensryche and think they are VERY underrated.

    Sweet Child O' Mine from Guns N Roses.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-AYAv0IoWI
    One of the best songs they ever did. Maybe THE best.

    There is another lesser knows hit that I REALLY love. It has Alice Cooper in it.
    Guns N' Roses - The Garden
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2GIGPrOnbU...feature=related
    This is just a freking awesome song!

    I will list some Pink Floyd ones while I am here.

    "Hey You," "Comfortably Numb" and "Mother" all from The Wall. All of these songs really get to me. No wonder it is my favorite Album of all time. 🙂
    The problem with Floyd is there are so many so I will just leave those listed.

    I have a few others a bit older like:

    Poison - Every Rose Has it's Thorn
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu2DA4I4TGw

    Poison - Something to Believe In
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe71zCA5xFQ...feature=related

    BTW Poison is from Pittsburgh 🙂


    Just a few that are very personal to me.

    Good song list. The problem with Pink Floyd is you're better off listing what you DON'T like. 🙂 Myself, I love everything from "Dark side of the Moon" until Waters left, then I like the post-Waters stuff somewhat less, then the pre-"Dark Side" stuff a lot less(with the exception of a few cuts). Other ppl can't even narrow it that much. 😀

    Just a whole lot of great stuff. . .
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    DocJon wrote:Good song list. The problem with Pink Floyd is you're better off listing what you DON'T like. 🙂 Myself, I love everything from "Dark side of the Moon" until Waters left, then I like the post-Waters stuff somewhat less, then the pre-"Dark Side" stuff a lot less(with the exception of a few cuts). Other ppl can't even narrow it that much. 😀

    Just a whole lot of great stuff. . .


    I totally agree with you on that one.

    Find it aw very hard to make choices here or in the "Song for life thread" for there are so so many songs I would call perfect.
    Perfect for special moments. As I consume music preferably when I have nothing else to do, but listen or dancing or ... when driving. I love to listen to it really really best when I am alone.

    THE perfect song does not exist for me. It always goes with the mood I am in.

    Paladin the silent lucidity of Queensryche is very special and I share this one. I saw them live in Phx and loved their gig. 🙂

    A song I get taken away by like on wings: it is lifting me up and bringing me forward and setting me smoothly down on the ground at the end - to talk in pictures - and I don´t listen to it very often but enjoy every time. I did during many years is Maiden´s Prodigal son, then I love to dream with Strange World.
    And then I love a song I cannot find: its the one that follows Hole in the sky on this Album - but I even don´t know the name of the album?
    Ok I found it. Well not the song but the Album; its Sabotage and I pretty much love all of that Album. Thrill of it all is sw special tho.
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    Saint, I'm more of a Bruce fan when it comes to Maiden. It's interesting how much the intro's on both of the Maiden songs you picked remind me of classic Pink Floyd.

    For me, it has to be Run To The Hills. The power in this song is awesome.



    As for Floyd, I'm about to say something considered blasphemy, but I hate Dark Side of the Moon. Really, there are so many more Floyd songs I would rather hear than Money. I love The Wall. I use to hide a walkman under my bed. In it was a copied cassette tape of the wall. I would set it to play through the whole album one time. I went to sleep to that album so many times as a kid that I can' even count. I use to be able to recite all of the non-music spoken words on the whole album in order.

    If I had to pick a favorite album, it would be Wish You Were Here. Except for Have A Cigar, which I can't stand, every song is perfect. I love the intro to the song Wish You Were Here. If you ever get a chance to hear the digitally remastered version of this album, you should. At the radio station, we switched out the old CD with the Digitally Remastered version and I swear this intro went to a new level for me. There are some nuances you can't hear until they remastered it.

    You know what, I change my mind. Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd is the perfect song. Ok, thread closed. 😈

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    Wait a second with closing the thread here at this interesting point, plz.
    Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd is not only the perfect song for me it was also the best Album. Did someone also take a look at the inside cover where you found the pic with the red Schaal blowing in the wind? And did you also try to find the naked woman?

    AW There are quite some songs I also did not like. E.g. songs of the Album with the flying pig above the chimney. Shine on you crazy diamond I loved, but money never really got to me either. The wall was never my favorite cause it had such a disharmonic crazy touch to me. The film I did not like either. Too depressive. We don´t need no education is about the only song I liked. But it never came even close to its predecessors.

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    Floyd favs can almost be divided by generation. Dark Side is my fav because I used to listen to it everyday with my then fav redhead every night smoking pot and watching Wizard of OZ on a really bad TV.

    My sister on the other hand has never stopped listening to The Wall, and I mean NEVER 🙂

    Everytime I hear any Dark Side it takes me right back to the commune we lived in, sigh.
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    lexx wrote:Floyd favs can almost be divided by generation. Dark Side is my fav because I used to listen to it everyday with my then fav redhead every night smoking pot and watching Wizard of OZ on a really bad TV.

    My sister on the other hand has never stopped listening to The Wall, and I mean NEVER 🙂

    Everytime I hear any Dark Side it takes me right back to the commune we lived in, sigh.


    Lexxi, I was never a very average person listening to older stuff when I was young and now I still listen to all kinds of music which may or may not be typical for my age. Who cares. But I also used to live in commune like places and found some nice pics on the web. In the AK47 we went to watch lots of local bands. Oh and when I visit Germany I always pass by. 😀
  18. #18
    BTW, Thread closed was a joke. :-)

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    That makes me think of one of my favorite 60's songs.



    Another candidate for perfect song from the 60's. It's the mother of all metal music. It's live which is cool and all, but he recording just sounds better. I couldn't find it.



  20. #21
    Atomm, you realize how tightly tied Jefferson Airplane is to Hot Tuna right?
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    Bubbaspanky wrote:Atomm, you realize how tightly tied Jefferson Airplane is to Hot Tuna right?


    Bubba, I have no clue waht you are talking about, but probably Atomm will have an idea.

    There were many of them perfect song for me in the 60 and once started, I will just go ahead:
    Its a beautiful day, white bird.
    Quicksilver Messenger Service, Fresh air
    Grateful Dead, but I could not find what I was looking for. Fire on the mountain I did not like that much.

    But I found Hot Tuna in the end. Darn fine Blues!
    Thing is - and I come back to a statement that was done before - the QUALITY of the music often hides its REAL Beauty. There are so many details that you simply don´t hear. Even in times of Venyl you could eventually listen to high end super quality sound. I loved Thorens and Elac, shure systems - not cheap tho.
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    saintchism wrote:Bubba, I have no clue waht you are talking about, but probably Atomm will have an idea.

    There were many of them perfect song for me in the 60 and once started, I will just go ahead:
    Its a beautiful day, white bird.
    Quicksilver Messenger Service, Fresh air
    Grateful Dead, but I could not find what I was looking for. Fire on the mountain I did not like that much.

    But I found Hot Tuna in the end. Darn fine Blues!
    Thing is - and I come back to a statement that was done before - the QUALITY of the music often hides its REAL Beauty. There are so many details that you simply don´t hear. Even in times of Venyl you could eventually listen to high end super quality sound. I loved Thorens and Elac, shure systems - not cheap tho.

    I missed this post. I like "White Bird", and have it in my big directory o' songs that I play in WinAmp in random shuffle mode. "Fresh Air" irritates me, because I ALMOST love it, but there's an element to it that pushes me away.

    I hunted up the Grateful Dead's version of "Fire on the Mountain" and it sounded pretty cool to me, but the vocals were lacking. The version I posted upthread of a local Pittsburgh band fixes that nicely. 🙂

    Repeat from above:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfSAYR-5nhw


    Atomm, you gotta love War Pigs. The air raid siren on the studio version is so EERIE. It's a great song, even if Ozzy DOES rhyme "masses" with "masses". 🙂

    An earlier performance:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtqy4DTHGqg