Congress Can Force Americans to Buy Health Insurance

Started by Paladin · 12 posts · 1,806 views

  2. #2
    Auto insurance is next.
  3. #3
    HEHEHE!

    Sarge does have a point. I've lived in 3 states and all 3 require me to buy auto insurance to drive a car. Hell, Virginia requires you to have valid insurance just to have a license.

    With that said, I'm back to my Lobbyist rule this country kick. I think this bill is going to put even more money in the pockets of the insurance companies and no one is going to be any better for it. Nothing about this actually fixes the real problem with the medical industry in this country. It's broke because of administrative overhead and a big part of that is the government billing requirements and the insurance billing requirements.

  4. #4
    Sarge wrote:Auto insurance is next.


    ROFLMAO
  5. #5
    Apparently you've never lived on Massachusetts - they require health insurance now for everyone in the state - and if you DON'T have it they fekers fine you for not having it.

    Along with my yearly W2 information I have a voucher from my employer to be attached to my yearly Mass state tax to provide proof of health insurance - with out the voucher - I'm automatically assed a fine for not having health insurance.


    Every rule, every law needs to go through the "Is it Constitutional" clause.

    Is it outlined in the constitution?
    Why no.
    FAIL.


    When we moved from Mas to Idaho on the anniversary of our license plates should have been renewed in Mass we received a certified letter from Mass DMV saying we were in possession of state property, we had to surrender them back to the state or re-register as Mass residents in 30 days or would be fined $1,200 a month for posession of state properity and they would garnish my wages and taxes until they had our Mass vehicle tags back.

    Thank God I kept them and did not turn them in to a roof for a bird house or some shit.
    We aent them back certified return reciept and still had a running 5 month battle with State and DMV until I spammed them with copys of the DMV employee signature and tracking number of the shipment.

    So yah - untill everyone stands up and says WERE NOT TAKING YOUR SHIT ANYMORE - YOU ARE NOT SERVICING ME YOUR PADDING YOUR CRONIES POCKETS AND YOU NEED TO DIE FOR YOUR EVIL.

    They won't listen to We the Peopole. Radical damming wide spread panic in the government needs to takeplace.


    ""When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.""
    — Thomas Jefferson
  6. #6
    The democrats are drunk on a super majority. They all need to be .... and ............


    This is the worse abuse of power I've seen in my lifetime. Its not even about health care, its about controlling the next election's results and buying a lifetime block of voters.

    For fuck sakes, just give $25b from TARP to the un-insured. Its not about coverage, its about controlling 1/6 of the US economy and buying a hugh block of voters for 2012.
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    Duck, I was blown away when we moved to NH and I learned you didn't have to return your plates. I have a set of NH plates now, and it seems like there should be something cool to do with them, alas, I have found nothing.
  8. #8
    Sarge wrote:Auto insurance is next.


    You laugh Doc but that is the first example that people mention with this issue.

    You miss the point Sarge. You do not HAVE to buy auto insurance. It is a privilege, not a right. You do not have to drive. You could take a bus or a bike. There are options. I know a lot of people that don't drive or even own a car. My cousins wife does not drive. I have a friends that do not drive. They don't pay auto insurance.

    Remember also that the insurance is on the car, not the person. You can pay insurance on one car and have your wife, daughter, sons all drive it. If they are over 18 even, they do not have to pay into it. Unless they "supposidily" drive more than x amount of time etc.. depending on the state...

    With this, NO options. You WILL purchase health insurance no matter what you think, or do in life, and there is nothing you can do to NOT have it. Your wife will pay it even if you already cover her under your insurance plan.


    Let me re- quote:

    " in the entire history of the United States the federal government has never mandated that Americans buy any good or service"

    NEVER in our history...mandated to buy.....

    Seriously, this is okay with you guys? I am not saying that in a condescending way. I am just asking.
  9. #9
    I would off course prefer a system that did not require health insurance at all, and that medical treatment was either completely covered simply by being a citizen, or at least had an affordable cost attached to it. Do I like that insurance companies decide what treatments I can have or which doctors/hospitals can treat me? The intent of an insurance company has nothing to do with health care, it is simply to make money for the shareholders by taking in more than they send out. If some reasonable way could be found to stop the double digit cost increases in insurance each year I'd gladly listen. As things stand now, our insurance plan at work has become more and more restrictive and more and more costly each year. Every year we have to make a choice of switching to a more restrictive (i.e. greater co-pays) or paying more in premiums. This is a huge drain on the resources of businesses and peole in this country and it is not sustainable.

    That being said, the reality is that having no health insurance is not an option for me and my family so essentially it becomes mandatory for those that financially would be significantly worse off (or dead or very sick) without it. Many people I know are in this same situation, and at the very least, if everyone has to have health insurance of some kind, those of us that do carry it now will stop subsidizing those that don't. The opponents of universal health care point to horror stories from countries that do have it but I remain convinced that those are the exception rather than the rule and we have plenty of our own horror stories here under the current system which allows people whose primary concern is making money stand between you and your doctor's judgment.

    This is a topic that is much more complicated than I make it out in the statements above. I recognize that there is no magic bullet solution, and that the opponents to universal health care have some valid points in some cases, but what we are doing now just cannot work in the long term.
  10. #10
    I do not disagree that there are people that need coverage and help. I think the difference of opinion is how to help them.

    The lefts side is saying basically let the government step in and take over the entire system and regulate it. Let us, the government, decide what is best for you. THAT is where I have my problem. Who watches the watchers then? Who will tell the government they are messing up?

    The rights opinion is more; lets just add coverage, paid for by the government, to those that need it. This is also my opinion. I agree with Lexx, lets just cover more that need it and leave the rest alone. Why is this not the best way? Everyone gets what they want and it keeps competition in play. I also think you should be allowed to purchase insurance out of state.

    Anyway that is my opinion FWIW. 🙂
  11. #11
    Paladin wrote:You laugh Doc but that is the first example that people mention with this issue.

    You miss the point Sarge. You do not HAVE to buy auto insurance. It is a privilege, not a right.

    It's always a kick when I hear libertarians say something like this.
  12. #12
    Paladin, you make a lot of good points, but I am confused on something.

    From what I have read and heard, the final watered down plan going through the Senate was "let's just add coverage" and forces everyone to have private insurance. Which, if I understand, is the right's way of thinking, but is being proposed by the left.

    How is that?