NH Has Balls!

http://patdollard.com/2009/02/new-hampshir...reach-of-peace/

Damn, if it wasn't so freaking cold there, I'd be packing up and moving. I never knew NH had such a big pair...... :-)

Proud of my birth state, I've posted the site before and will do it again.

http://www.freestateproject.org/

The right wing wacko' gun forums and sites I "live" on have been rattling about this for a moth now, did not post it here because you all think I'm too much of a right wing loon to begin with.

But it appears that the Free State Project is starting to flex it's collective muscle, with members now elected in to the N.H. state legislature.

I would like to see how far this goes, and would also like to see the states around Idaho also band together and follow New Hampshire's lead.

But N.H. has a lot of internal issues to contend with, it may be well and good that they are pissing up noblamas leg, but there are internal issues that are tearing the state apart - they need a good old pitch fork and bondfire witch hunt to rid the liberals out of tha state that have been transplanted from Mass, NY, NJ, CT where the most common saying you hear from legislature is "that's not how we did it in xxxxx. before I moved here."

Hell mumbles Menino the Boston mayor considers the state of N.H. his suburb, and the N.H. governor is allowing mumbles to dictate gun law for N.H. because he can't un fuck his issues in his city, so he strong arms John Lynch the N.H. govenor and the spine less dog is enacting laws to suite mumbles.

If you want a peoples paradise, move back and stop trying to fuck up someone else home, or just wait, Hope-And-Change Hussein shall make it so.

So it's all well and good that they say they are doing it, it's a completely different matter to enact it with no federal tit to suck on in this horrible economic situation.
No money for roads, schools, and OH MY GOD NO WELFARE! How dare they, the illegals and bastard factory's need their cheese and my money to survive. With N.H. giving the gooberment the heave ho no tax money will flow and kill the movement before it starts.

But good for them for taking the first shot. If it succeeds, Id move back.

Hmm, I read alot of the comments and many of them were interesting. I'd just love to see the energy producing states like TX and AK follow suit, and perhaps a southern state or two.

Then things could get interesting.

I wouldn't say this measure is any more than a proposal at this point.

This is a bill that is still in committee... i.e. no one has voiced any opinion on it yet. It has 3 co-signers. There are 400 members of the NH house. The NH House of Representatives is the third-largest parliamentary body in the English speaking world. The house is a majority of Democrats. FYI that makes one state rep per 3,000 people in the state.

As Duck points out, NH has MANY MANY internal issues, not the least of which is they have no money because of an unwillingness to tax (bear in mind this is semantic only, the fees here more than make up for the taxes one might pay in Mass). Also the state cannot seem to find a way to pay for its school and other various needs.

Finally I am not quite sure where Duck got the idea that Tom Menino is changing gun laws here. There are in effect no gun laws. Anyone can buy a firearm you don't need a permit (only need a permit to carry a concealed loaded weapon or loaded weapon in a vehicle). You don't need to register guns.

As for Boston considering Southern NH as its suburb, well it is a true reality of life. A large percentage of my neighborhood commutes to Boston everyday. In fact the federal government does consider S. NH to be in the same Urban Area as Boston.

Finally Duck, you can't yell about the states makeup changing, you were part of the mass exodus of NH natives out of the state. And your point about illegal immigrants, NH doesn't have many it is in the bottom 10 states, so few they often aren't charted.

So while this will open some eyes. I wouldn't suspect it will even see that it'll get out of committee.

Agreed, bout not going further.

I moved out only because my wife's sister need us here in Id, if not for her assistance in 1999 I would still be there.

There was some good articles at the North East Shooters web site documenting how mumbles was (and did) pressure mayors in Nashua, Amherst and Manchester on their local gun laws and sales practices, they in turn with mumbles support were harassing both Jeanne Shaheen and now Lynch - and to a lesser extent Craig Benson who was in between them caved to mumbles also, making bad legislation concerning firearms.

That battle is continuing ever more there.

I just wish people would STOP trying to make some other place like the place they left..... if it was paradise, why the hell did you leave in the first place?

Taxes in N.H. OMFG! dad is well retired and they hit him for property tax to the tune of ~$4K / 6 months to live there...... how fun that is.

Here in Id we had another county's sheriff retire, some Kalifornie' ass bag was voted in as a "progressive" he lasted 5 months as Sheriff, he F so much up that the town held special election to get rid of him, the new Sheriff is a local, his first ond only piece of business was a new conference.

He gets up, says "Every thing that happened in the last 5 months are void, were back to the way "George" had things. That is all"

A cheer went up from all 12 people attending and the county faded back in to good old "fly-over-land" Idaho again.

Gotta love sensible people out here.

Trust me Duck, property taxes are out of control and the bitch of it is that it effects people like your dad(it doesn't affect the rich person from Boston who moves up here or who owns a 2nd home here), who owns his home outright and is on a fixed income and will see his property taxes go up and up and up, he has no control over them. If there was a sales tax he could control it by not buying extranious things. I have a friend here who owns his home, an older gentleman, earned his money by working 2, 3 jobs. He spent his whole life working 2nd shift as a grave digger. Now he will soon lose his house because they are milking him on real estate taxes.

Duck I haven't heard of any gun law changes here, there certainly aren't any on the ground. Maybe in the cities you cite.

And I wasn't trying to personally call you out for leaving, I know that is how it reads, sorry about that. Just trying to say there was a mass movement out by the natives, then they yell back that things have changed.

The Free State movement, well, libertarian isn't bad ideals, what scares me is the chaos when they go corrupt like the other parties.

FYI, I was talking to Sarge and we pay the same rate for property tax in Texas (2.2%), no State Income Tax, but have a sales tax of 8.25%.

Still, that's better than Oklahoma where I was paying property tax of about 1% plus sales tax of 8.25% and one of the higher State income taxes in the country. I still can't figure out how Oklahoma has some of the worst roads in the country and the schools are constantly rated in the lower 40 out of 50 states.

Overall, I think I'm better off in Texas from a tax perspective and schools/roads than I was in Oklahoma.

Yeah but is your homes value as over inflated as Sarges? Lets put it this way; people love to criticize outrageous taxes in Mass.

I own a townhouse 2 BR 1.5 Bath. 1500sq ft. and a share of community owned land.

My parents in Ma own a single family home 2 BR, 1.5 Bath with 6 acres.

I pay twice in real estate taxes what they do.

I can't say. It's about 190k - 300k for 2000 sq ft depending on how close you get to downtown Dallas.

A lot of the northern suburbs of Dallas have some of the best housing prices in the country. Dallas proper isn't nearly as affordable.

From what I've seen, the higher property tax helps keep property fairly level here. For instance, the Dallas Metro (Dallas, et al) was ranked first for the least amount of Depreciation due to the housing crysis. Only 2.6% drop as of a few months ago. From what I've seen, it may have slipped a little further due to the credit crunch, but still, it wasn't so inflated in the first place, so it can't fall too much.

Yeah it's hard to know.

I guess upon reflection the problem here isn't the tax rate, but the rate at which the value of people homes were adjusted. I can't give you numbers except to say our place went up over 300% in value in the 10 years.

So when towns here need money, they do a reevaluation and thus the tax rate may go down but everyones value goes up.

Its funny you talk about depreciation, they keep saying here that so far NH hasn't felt too much in the way of home values decreasing.

I think with taxes you have to look at not only what your total tax bill is, but what you get for it. The tax rate here in town isn't high compared to neighboring communities, but housing values are high enough that the bill twice a year is painful. Before this year, a <1500 square foot cape would go for between $275-350 on part of an acre. Values have gone down, but like Dallas, not as much as some areas. I don't mind paying those taxes because I see the benefits to my family and the community. I get an excellent school system which I am taking full advantage of at the moment. The roads are in decent shape, we have a great library, good police and fire coverage, and curbside trash and recycling.

I feel bad for the people like your dad Duck and Bubba's friend. They are the one's that get hosed. Because NH relies only on the property tax, those that are property rich get stuck with the bill no matter how much cash they have and without much recourse for any tax relief.

It a shame every state doesn't have some kinda senior property tax discount. Just another way to push people aside to damn near steal their property.

Even in this shithole, the seniors get a hefty discount, and they should. 50 years should be plenty to pay school taxes. The other services I can see to a point, but face it, everyone in this country is way over taxed and much of it is wasted in one form or another.

Florida isn't just popular for the weather, its the lack of state tax and senior discounts. I wonder as the political scales tip in VA, OH, PA, and FL, will these discounts be cut?

And I wasn't trying to personally call you out for leaving, I know that is how it reads, sorry about that. Just trying to say there was a mass movement out by the natives, then they yell back that things have changed.

No - none take, didn't even blip the radar.
I look at my house in ID, 2200 sq ft ranch 1 1/4 acre decent town what taxes we have a re pitifully low (due to Idahos economy and general fly-over status of no one wanting to live here) and it scares the hell out of me to think I mat some day have to move back to the land of the living dead.
Should that happen the only place I'd consider would be Dallas, (Atomm I lived in Carrollton for 5 years) the thing that allows us to live well here is that I'm making Mass wages living in ID.

Most Idahoans make no more than ~$30,000 year - I'd never be able to survive on that - hell I agreed to almost that much of a pay decrease to stay here and telecommute to my Boston job and I still make a bunch more than the typical spud.

My problem comes with if I have to sell and move, my house has raised in value since we bought and it is a (for Idaho) healthy $121,000.
Most houses in our are are ~$70-90K

No way could I hope to turn a sale into a down payment if I had to move back to Boston or New England in general.
The best we could shoot for is for me to move to Dallas for a year alone, save while renting a studio while wife and dogs stay in ID and hope we can make it work monetarily wise.


Lexx, N.H. does have a SR. discount, but I think Dad isa too damn stubborn (proud) to ask for the help.
We talked to him about a reverse mortgage, but before mom died they put the house in a trust for us three kids divide equally after they pass. We do what we can to help in little ways before he gets too stubborn.

Yeah, each town has some sort of senior discount - just requires filling out a form. There is also a very small rebate for lower income folks from the state. Iirc, it was like $75-100 or something.

What Sarge said, though I will add the senior tax breaks are subject to approval from the Selectboard or City Council. When things get tight they could reject tax breaks.

I believe that's why Scottsdale was so popular with Retiree's. It nixxed property taxes over a certain age. It's a great way to bring in a study amount of money for the community.

Duck, then you know where The Colony is..... That's where I'm at right now. Hope to be able to get another house next year in either Frisco or Plano. That puts us a step closer to our jobs.

Oh yah - all good areas in my opinion.
We almost bought a house on 1 Easy Street in Lewisville but we did not like the Lewisville schools that much so we stayed in Carrollton.

Man I would have loved that address.

Duck wrote:Oh yah - all good areas in my opinion.
We almost bought a house on 1 Easy Street in Lewisville but we did not like the Lewisville schools that much so we stayed in Carrollton.

Man I would have loved that address.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkS4q1vjhJI

I drank a few beers with Edgar and Johnny in a bar called the Plush Horse in Huntsville Alabama.
Memories.

Duck, I think you just went up on Doc's coolness scale....... 😈

Duck wrote:I drank a few beers with Edgar and Johnny in a bar called the Plush Horse in Huntsville Alabama.
Memories.

Very cool. I'm a fan of both, though I've only seen Edgar perform live. Were they performing that night, or just getting their drink on?

Atomm wrote:Duck, I think you just went up on Doc's coolness scale....... 😈

-10 to -9.8 is not much... but I'll take what I can get...... LOL!

DocJon wrote:Very cool. I'm a fan of both, though I've only seen Edgar perform live. Were they performing that night, or just getting their drink on?

They were there for a show, one of those bars just out side a military post that would never exist if the post closed.
To the bars credit, it was nice and they tried very hard to get less than popular bands there for the traffic flow.

The Winter brothers, B.T.O., Rick O'Cassic, Twisted sister are the ones that come to mind we say there.

When I was sober enough to remember.........Army days........Single........Young........Dumb........

Sweet bar! Wish the ones around here did something like that. The bars around the military post here just have beer, and maybe nearly-nude ladies. I'd love to find a bar that featured great acts that were past their pop culture expiration date. Good music, small venue, and beer - what's not to like?

Back on topic. I saw a Rep from NH on Fox News. Apparently this bill was based on the same thing from Kentucky in 1976. In addition, there are 20 total states doing this exact same thing.

Interesting.....