Steinbeck

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    I read. I read a LOT. I wolf down Biggie-Sized books in no time. I don't so much drink them in as chug them. If there were a literary equivalent to the beer bong, I would be using it. I love reading, and I can't keep my eyes from racing along, speeding towards the next plot point. . .usually.

    I've been reading Travels with Charley, and like every Steinbeck book I've picked up before, I love it. I can't quite figure out why, but I'm working on it. Certainly it must have to do with his style, which at times can be somewhat passive, something my English teachers told me was a no-no but which I often find creeping into my own writing. One day I hope to pin it down. Some say knowing the magician's tricks can ruin the fun, but if the magician's tricks are real, I think all that can come of it is appreciation and enjoyment on another level.

    Unlike most authors, I can't read Steinbeck quickly, even though he's never a difficult read. Sometimes he might use a word in an unorthodox manner, or might turn a slightly tricky phrase, but on the whole, I have to say he doesn't wander north of a 10th-12th grade reading level. Still, there's something about his writing that rewards the patient reader. If many of the other books I read are mass-produced beer, Steinbeck's works are fine microbrews, which reward every sip with a rich palette of flavors and scents.

    There are better passages in the book, in all probability, than this one. There's a wonderful piece where he met and spent the evening with a group of migratory workers, but that was many pages back. This is a paragraph I just read, and I find something compelling even in this simple description.

    To mill so close together is the nature of turkeys in the evening. I remembered how on the ranch in my youth the turkeys gathered and roosted in clots in the cypress trees, out of reach of wildcats and coyotes, the only indication I know of that turkeys have any intelligence at all. To know them is not to admire them, for they are vain and hysterical. They gather in vulnerable groups and then panic at rumors. They are subject to all the sicknesses of other fowl, together with some they have invented. Turkeys seem to be manic-depressive types, gobbling with blushing wattles, spread tails, and scraping wings in amorous bravado at one moment, and huddled in craven cowardice the next. It is hard to see how they can be related to their wild, clever, suspicious cousins. But here in their thousands they carpeted the earth waiting to lie on their backs on the platters of America.


    There's something to Steinbeck, I think, that reminds me of Robert Frost. An unpretentious style of speech used to effectively conjure images of nature, of people, and of America.

    Anyway, that's all I have for now. Travels with Charley has to go back to the library in a couple days, but I think I'll check it out again. 🙂
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    It's good to see that other people continue to read, and to read classic literature. Too many people don't feel that they have the time for it any more. I don't believe that I've ever read Steinbeck myself, although maybe in high school literature class. I really haven't read much of the "classic" literature since high school and college, and even then it wasn't that much. Because I spend so much time now reading decidedly dry technical material and reports, I almost always read science fiction or military fiction for fun. Occasionally I throw in something else, but I usually want to escape from the everyday in my reading.

    I know what you mean about authors writing style speaking to you. There are a few out there that I truly enjoy the style as well as the substance. John Scalzi, Allan Dean Foster, David Weber, Elizabeth Moon, and L.E. Modesitt to name a few.

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    Here's grapes.... here's your wrath!!! -Nelson from the Simpsons
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    Sarge wrote:🤘

    It's good to see that other people continue to read, and to read classic literature. Too many people don't feel that they have the time for it any more. I don't believe that I've ever read Steinbeck myself, although maybe in high school literature class. I really haven't read much of the "classic" literature since high school and college, and even then it wasn't that much. Because I spend so much time now reading decidedly dry technical material and reports, I almost always read science fiction or military fiction for fun. Occasionally I throw in something else, but I usually want to escape from the everyday in my reading.

    I know what you mean about authors writing style speaking to you. There are a few out there that I truly enjoy the style as well as the substance. John Scalzi, Allan Dean Foster, David Weber, Elizabeth Moon, and L.E. Modesitt to name a few.

    It's funny that we think of Steinbeck as classic literature, since he died during my lifetime. 🙂 I don't think that he himself would have agreed with that assessment. There's some passages in Travels with Charley that talk about Sinclair Lewis, an author that he knew, and had great respect for. I think he would have said Lewis' work was great. Hell, Steinbeck won the Nobel Prize for Literature, and didn't think he deserved it. But he did, or at the very least, he didn't NOT deserve it.

    Some classic literature is still very accessible. There are some great American authors that wrote in relatively recent times, and wrote in a fairly accessible style. Jack London was one such author. Most ppl have at least heard of The Call of the Wild, or White Fang, but I recommend The Sea Wolf, which, despite it's name, had no dogs or wolves in it. 🙂 I like, and agree with, the Ambrose Bierce quote near the beginning of that link. Bierce was also an accomplished writer - his An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge is a classic short story that has inspired and informed countless stories (and movies, and TV shows) since.

    For Steinbeck, Of Mice and Men is a tremendously well-known short story of his, but I'm fond of Cannery Row, and Tortilla Flat.

    Avoid 20,000 Leagues under the Sea, by Jules Verne. Pain. A whole lotta pain.
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    I use to love to read, but for some reason, I just can't find the time any more.

    For me, it's Stephen King. The first 100 or so pages are always hard to get through, but after that, the story really kicks in and you feel invested in the characters.

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    Atomm wrote:I use to love to read, but for some reason, I just can't find the time any more.

    For me, it's Stephen King. The first 100 or so pages are always hard to get through, but after that, the story really kicks in and you feel invested in the characters.

    I haven't read much by him after The Green Mile. I tried to read the first book in The Dark Tower series and hated it, so I avoided the rest. Also, I couldn't get thru Black House, the King/Straub sequel to The Talisman (which I liked).

    King used to get a lot of flack for being a "McDonald's" type of writer - fast, cheap, popular, and full of empty calories. 🙂 I don't know how much of that is deserved. I read a lot of his work as a teenager, and in my early 20's, and I liked it. If he DID deserve it, I'm not sure he does now. His work in the 90's was quite good. I really enjoyed the way he painted scenes, set moods and fleshed out some of his characters. I tried to slow down and enjoy The Green Mile, much as I am now reading Travels with Charley.
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    Ahh, now there is a pleasant joy in life. Reading. I would have to say I spend most of my free time reading, I always down a few chapters before turning out the lights. And I stay away from technical manuals when not at a work environment. But just so I tend to stray with the Sci-Fi / Military types similar to Sarge.

    Weber is a good, as are Ron L Hubbard & Clive Cussler. E.Moon I was a fan of with the Legend of Paksenarrion but she left my style behind when she started the space tales, just never picked her up after that.
    My other favorites include Dennis McKiernan, whose storytelling is superb and has created a land that rivals any other. Robin Hobb is an interesting read that ends up being a binge reading session as her books are the grab you hold you and never let you know how many pages you actually turned types. Mercedes Lackey has recently done some fine work with her Joust series, it is a short piece of her body of work that is set in a new world of hers.
    Robert Heinlein, need I say more. Well if I must he had a way of spinning a tale and it wasn't until after the 4th book or so of his that I realized he interconnected everyone, though that was just an added bonus as they were all short reads but intriguing to the last, young adult level of reading at times intertwined with much more adult messages.
    Robert Asprin is always a good choice for a quick easy read with a bit of twisted humor, gotta love the Myth Adventures.

    But I digress, immersive reading is a favorite of mine, there are a number of authors I read that are not on this list, due to only reading a few of their novels. McKiernan is probably my favorite as of late, Hobb comes in close behind as both have the style that just traps me in place. I have an impressive library of the classics due to a few subscriptions to the Easton Press house, just have been stuck on all this 'fun' reading and haven't paid the leatherbounds enough attention.

    Oh and for some action fantasy the Black Library has some good old bloodshed for the geek in you, Gotrek and Felix will be a decent read -though not as enthralling as some of the others I have mentions-.

    And no I am done talking about all my honeybrown ale type writers, smooth and sweet all the way down until you see the bottom of the glass and wonder who drank it all.
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    Silent Cold wrote:Ahh, now there is a pleasant joy in life. Reading.
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    And no I am done talking about all my honeybrown ale type writers, smooth and sweet all the way down until you see the bottom of the glass and wonder who drank it all.


    Oh ah, see what is revealed by an intersting topic - see who comes forward.

    Hardly ever read a longer comment of you, Silent, but here you are talking poetic about your reads. Amazing. Nice. Or simply: cool.🙂


    To mill so close together is the nature of turkeys in the evening. I remembered how on the ranch in my youth the turkeys gathered and roosted in clots in the cypress trees, out of reach of wildcats and coyotes, the only indication I know of that turkeys have any intelligence at all. To know them is not to admire them, for they are vain and hysterical. They gather in vulnerable groups and then panic at rumors. They are subject to all the sicknesses of other fowl, together with some they have invented. Turkeys seem to be manic-depressive types, gobbling with blushing wattles, spread tails, and scraping wings in amorous bravado at one moment, and huddled in craven cowardice the next. It is hard to see how they can be related to their wild, clever, suspicious cousins. But here in their thousands they carpeted the earth waiting to lie on their backs on the platters of America.


    Got to love Steinbeck. Comparing turkeys with ppl who were diagnosed manic-depressive is so funnah, I am still lol. Oh that has a healing effect on me. Great excerpt, thank you Doc. 🙂

    Reading belongs to my fixed habbits. When I think of Atomm, who says he does not find the time anymore I have to admit I am not reading that much anymore as I used to when I had to. But still, in our family we recommend and change books. We ask "How are you? And what is it your are reading right now?" It belongs to me so much as I am not able to find the right sleeping mood before I haven´t read some pages. It just makes my life complete to dive into the phantastic world of Dean Koontz (Mr. Murder - right now) or one of my all time favorite Kiana Davenport´s Shark Dialogues. Mixing all kind of styles, I love to discover writers which fill me up with their stories. Like the intrigueing Alberto Vázquez-Figueroa, born on the Canary islands he traveled all over the world and my favorite of him is "Tuareg".
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    I like some of Koontz's books. I liked the Chris Snow books (Fear Nothing, Seize the Night), and the first Odd Thomas Book(the second one was poor, IMHO, but the third one was pretty good) A fourth one is coming out May 20th. I'll have to check that one out at the library as well.

    There were a few others I liked as well, but I can't remember the names. There was one with a killer who kept getting sick and developing new psychosomatic illnesses after each murder. I thought that was a unique character trait. 🙂
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    The last book I read was Inkheart by Funk. It was a really good story. It's easy to read. If you like Harry Potter, you might like this. It's not quite the same, but it's written for the teen scene with somewhat adult situations.

    There is a sequel to it and if I get to read another book, that will be the one.

    I've made it through 3.5 of the Dark Tower books. I actually really dig the story, but I've read enough King books to make the association to other stories. I also like the Samurai like honor code the Gunfighters subscribe too.

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    For those of you into Harry Potter around these parts(and I know there are at least a couple of you), you might want to take a look at The Dresden Files. I've read the whole series to date. A new book is due out in April, but I can't imagine I'll get anywhere near the lone library copy for at least three months. It's a popular series, and it was a bear trying to read it in sequence. I gave in, and had to read book three (of ten) last. 🙁

    The books read well on their own, but staying in sequence is best, as characters grow and change, as does some of the relationships. It makes for a richer experience.


    Although very different in subject matter, I might also recommend a series of books by Lee Child, featuring a wandering, off-the-grid former U.S. Army Military Police Major called Jack Reacher. He's a huge bad-ass that uses his military training to solve crimes he gets drawn into(often because, as a drifter, he's a suspect) and crack heads, sometimes fatally.
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    I didn't know Dresden was a book. They had one season on Sci-Fi and I really liked it. Looks like it died after that....

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    I'll have to look for the Dresden Files books at the library as well....

    An interesting series that I just read are "The Company" novels by Kage Baker. Sort of a mix of science fiction and historical fiction. A couple of the stories are a little slow, but overall they are a good read. I've read all of them except the latest two.

    Also Neal Stephenson's "Anathem" is really good. Really. It's long and involved and the plot went nowhere near where I expected it.

    Unfortunately I'm to the point of having read most everything at the library in the sci-fi section that looks interesting. I need to start using the inter-library loan I guess.
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    Atomm wrote:I didn't know Dresden was a book. They had one season on Sci-Fi and I really liked it. Looks like it died after that....

    As is usually the case, the books are better(not that the show was bad). I've known about them for years, but only started reading them shortly before Christmas.

    In the book, Bob the Skull, the English ghost from the show, doesn't appear. He mostly interacts with Harry from within the skull. I think they did the right thing in the TV show by changing Bob into a ghost, but in a non-visual medium, he works fine as a skull. I bring this up because Bob the Skull, the way he's written, reminds me of the disembodied robot head from Lexx. Even though I saw the show before I read the books, I still hear Bob's dialogue in 790's voice, in my head. Something about the way Bob insults Harry so cheerfully. 🙂

    You can find some short stories and excerpts on the web-site I linked to in my previous message. Here it is again:

    http://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresden/short/

    Here's a couple of short ones that won't spoiling anything for the future.

    http://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresden/restoration/

    This second one is even shorter, and takes place after the one above.
    http://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresden/vignette/
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    I really liked that show......

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    Atomm wrote:I really liked that show......

    As I've said before, and Paladin is now finding out, the books are better. If you have the time, they're very enjoyable. I actually hate Jim Butcher a little bit, because they're so good, and because I've wanted to do a noir detective-magic story since seeing Cast a Deadly Spell on HBO back in 1991. Oh well, at least I enjoy them.

    I should get cracking on one or two of the stories I've been bouncing around my head before someone does those. At least get a bad version published, so I can sue the good authors when they have the same idea and do it well. 😉
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    I just started reading the Alera Codex by the author of the Dresden Files. I went looking for the Dresden Books and the library only had a couple of the middle ones but they had the first 4 or 5 books in this series so I started it. The Furies of Calderon is very good and has a massive battle at the end. I've just started the second book but am not far enough into it to know what is going to happen other than "bad stuff" is on the rise.
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    Sarge wrote:I just started reading the Alera Codex by the author of the Dresden Files. I went looking for the Dresden Books and the library only had a couple of the middle ones but they had the first 4 or 5 books in this series so I started it. The Furies of Calderon is very good and has a massive battle at the end. I've just started the second book but am not far enough into it to know what is going to happen other than "bad stuff" is on the rise.

    He's been pushing them pretty hard. A lot of the later books in the Dresden files have a few pages about the Codex series at the end of the book. It turns out, that kind of Fantasy story is his first love. He didn't set out to write a dozen Dresden Files books - He was just doing some writing exercises, trying something different, and they went abnormally well. A happy accident.

    I haven't been tempted by the Codex books. I'm not really into that sort of hard-core Fantasy. The Dresden Files have one foot in the real world, and it helps me relate. Still, on your recommendation, and on Butcher's track record, maybe I should rethink that.
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    I finished the Alera Codex except for the last book which doesn't get released until this fall. A very good series for those of you into swords and magic.

    I also read the Word/Void Trilogy and the Genesis of Shannara Trilogyand both were very good. The Sword of Shannara was one of the first fantasy genre books that I ever read and these books start in the "real" world and take us to the end of this world and the start of the new one - where the Shannara books take place. Very cool good vs. evil kind of books with lots of guns and demons and magic. They are more like horror novels than traditional fantasy.

    I also read Joe Haldeman's The Forever War and am currently reading the sequal "Forever Free".

    Nancy Kress'sProbability Moon and Probability Sun are sitting on my bureau as the next in line. Looks as though there is a third book in the series that I didn't see at the library. I hope this doesn't turn into another series that I've read the first two and not the last one 🙁
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    Sarge wrote:I finished the Alera Codex except for the last book which doesn't get released until this fall. A very good series for those of you into swords and magic.

    I also read the Word/Void Trilogy and the Genesis of Shannara Trilogyand both were very good. The Sword of Shannara was one of the first fantasy genre books that I ever read and these books start in the "real" world and take us to the end of this world and the start of the new one - where the Shannara books take place. Very cool good vs. evil kind of books with lots of guns and demons and magic. They are more like horror novels than traditional fantasy.

    I also read Joe Haldeman's The Forever War and am currently reading the sequal "Forever Free".

    Nancy Kress'sProbability Moon and Probability Sun are sitting on my bureau as the next in line. Looks as though there is a third book in the series that I didn't see at the library. I hope this doesn't turn into another series that I've read the first two and not the last one 🙁

    I have to remember to check out Butcher's fantasy books. I'm reading a lot of Robert B. Parker books right now (the Spenser series), and I might get into some Raymond Chandler next. Parker finished one of Chandler's books, and wrote a sequel to "The Big Sleep" which I'm reading now.

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    Yeah I have read most of parkers stuff.. its quick and amusing.
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    Bubbaspanky wrote:Yeah I have read most of parkers stuff.. its quick and amusing.

    The Spenser stuff is easy, pleasant reading. It's like a hamburger, as opposed to steak. I think the enjoyment of that series will grow as I progress through it and have more character background to build on. That was particularly true with Butcher's Dresden Files.

    I'm liking the "The Big Sleep" sequel a lot. Easy reading, but with more wit and style than Spenser. If Parker did indeed imitate Chandler's style, I might put the Spenser series on hold and read some Chandler for awhile.

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    The chandler stuff didn't do much for me. Not bad... just bla. Also he has the Stone series, it s'ok
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    Bubbaspanky wrote:The chandler stuff didn't do much for me. Not bad... just bla. Also he has the Stone series, it s'ok

    Tom Selleck portrays Jesse Stone in the made-for-tv movies. My mom follows them. I never saw one myself.