TSA Molestation

Started by Atomm · 26 posts · 2,779 views

  1. #1
    This really pisses me off.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comment...000_members_is/

    If you opt out of the naked body pictures, you will be subjected to groping and molestation. This shit has gone on long enough.

    Congressman X,

    I am writing to ask for your consideration on what I believe to be an extremely important issue.

    As you know, the Transportation Security Administration recently has been deploying what are known as backscatter x-ray scanning devices at airports across the country, which have the ability to take high-fidelity images of passengers' naked bodies. These scanners are already deployed in many major airports and on their way to becoming standard practice. It is my opinion and the opinion of many others that this invasive technique represents a violation against Americans' privacy, decency and the constitutional protection against illegal search and seizure. Furthermore, the TSA has so far made going through one of these scanners an optional procedure, but recent information from the Administration and an outpouring of passenger reports of inappropriate and abusive behavior have made it clear that the TSA plans to make 'opting-out' of these scanners even less palatable than being irradiated and recorded in the nude by strangers.

    Congressman, I am asking you to take a stand against this theft of Americans' liberties. I understand that in our times we must be vigilant against those who would wish to do us harm. However, our security must not come at the cost of those things which make our country great, and these scanners represent a huge step away from the ideals of justice and freedom that are our heritage and mandate. Furthermore, those tasked with our safety must be held to the very highest standards of ability and behavior. Therefore, I urge you to take a firm stand against the use of backscatter x-ray devices or any similar method that debases American freedom, and to insist that the TSA deeply reevaluate their practices and their standards for hiring. Additionally, an independent committee should be established to evaluate the TSA for conduct and overall effectiveness.

    No one has forgotten that our world is a more dangerous place than it once was. But we must not in our fear parcel away our liberties and our dignity for a false semblance of security. Americans are better than that. We're stronger than that. I hope you will do the right thing.

    Sincerely,
  2. #2
    All this from an inept group - TSA... who couldn't find their as with a full compliment of employees.

    I no longer fly - Obama in May 2010 canceled the FFD (Federal Flight Deck) Program quietly - Pilots certified to fly with side arms are NO LONGER allowed to fly armed, and he has curtailed the Federal Air Marshals flight time by 45% - That come straight from the mouth of friends who are Air Marshals (Cindy Who?) in Dallas and Phoenix.

    He has also decreased the training and ammunition budget by 50% -- so the ones that DO get to fly - are not as sharp with their tools as they were 1 year ago.


    I since starting driving to locations, and have informed my company that I no longer fly for those same reasons. They have not objected.
  3. #3
    I think I also read that they just found gigabytes of pictures on some airport system that someone had saved when the system wasn't supposed to be able to (oops!).

    Flying is just a huge pain in the ass now. Let's get high speed rail up and running so I don't have to do it ever again 😀
  4. #4
    Sarge wrote:I think I also read that they just found gigabytes of pictures on some airport system that someone had saved when the system wasn't supposed to be able to (oops!).

    Flying is just a huge pain in the ass now. Let's get high speed rail up and running so I don't have to do it ever again 😀


    http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html


    TSA, Local and Federal transportation agencies, U.S. Marshal service, Local police Court house scanners..... LOTS of them looking at yer whacker.

    (Turn to the Right....)

    I'm with ya Sarge - High Speed Rail ROCKS - Loved it in Europe in the 80's/90's Fast - efficient - inexpensive - quality.


    (Side note) L-3 Communications is one of my customers I support. wheut

  5. #5
    I wanted to take the kiddo to Disney World Next year, but I don't want to subject her to unnecessary radiation and I would take someone out if they tried to touch her private parts.

    I'm really, really pissed about this. And I'm tired of being sheeple.....
  6. #6
    Atomm, Here is the decision I had a few months ago. We had some required travel, this involved air travel. The airport we were traveling out of was choosing 1 out of 3 people to put into the 'naked machine'. I had just read the story that those who opt out of the scan are handled extra rough, often with invasive body searches (can you say finger up your ass?). My newly pregnant wife can't go through the scanner and I don't necessarily need her abused by a TSA person. To top it off. They had a "priority customer line". This line was for the people who paid for first class. Not only did they not have to cue to be searched, but not a single one had to do anything besides walk through the metal detector.

    So my effort was to act odd enough that I would be the 1 in 3 that got the more intense search, but at the same time not act odd enough that I would be detained.

    Needless to say, none of us was searched, but yes it spawned a letter to my representation.
  7. #9
    I read this last night.

    BoingBoing wrote:And now we have backscatter technology to fix the holes. It is humorous to me that this is the device that causes the most outrage us because it exposes us physically. I don't personally mind if some TSA agent in a back room sees the size of my schnitzel. My issue with the scanners is that it is more of the same bullshit heaped upon the existing pile of bullshit we already take for a security system. Shoes, liquids, printer toner, nail clippers, whathaveyou. All are smoke screens to have us not ask the harder questions about issues of what actually makes us secure. It is that general feeling that we are not doing security in the right way and that in itself makes us feel insecure.


    Full article here: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/29/testi...e-tsa-with.html

    And this other article about how pilots are scanned but caterers are not...

    http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/29/tsa-s...-uniformed.html

  8. #10
    For me, the backscatter machines problem is the radiation. These machines need to be constantly calibrated. Who is to say how much radiation they are exposing you too. If I was the TSA operating them, I'd be conserned as to why a radiology tech wears a lead vest when they use XRay machines, yet I don't get one.

  9. #11
    A friend who was at our house for Thanksgiving is a physicist who works with radiation all the time for her job. She didn't have a clear understanding of how much you were being exposed to because the research just isn't there, and the numbers that the TSA report are often shown as "average exposure" which is a really poor measure.

    I don't know though which I'd choose. If I want someone to touch my junk I can just stay home and have my wife TSA me and avoid the rest of the hassle 😛

  10. #12
    Theater for the ignorant is all it is.
    TSA is no longer "Going behind the curtian" but doing the breast bounce and crotch feel in front of God and Country in the general populace in the hopes of every one watching the is so mortally embarrassed of the young lady getting felt up by some lecherous fuck that they would not want to place themselves in to the very same humiliating position for every one else to see.

    They cave in on personal morals and subject them selves to unnecessary radiation form machines that can not identify any modern chemical based explosives.

    So far as I know the Fourth Amendment has NOT been repealed - yet...

    The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures. The amendment specifically also requires search and arrest warrants be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and arrest should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it.
  11. #13
    Holy crap... it's almost political and I agree with Duck 100%. If they want me to stand naked in line I will, don't touch me, and don't expose me to Xrays (I don't care about the dose). Furthermore, show that you can actually detect things that need to be detected. (Hint they haven't). Don't lie to me about the processes and finer points... (i.e. saying it can't store images, but it can and has). Don't tell me I can opt out and leave the airport (but you can't really), and don't subject little kids to it unless you have someone doing it who can interact with a kid like a human being.

    Finally, in my experience, don't create a second line at the screening station, for people who paid more, and who get to 100% skip any screening beside a metal detector.

    What is most sad to me, when these machine were invented but not implemented, there were only a few of us who objected then. Honestly, I caved in my objection based on the thought that there was NO CHANCE this would ever be allowed in our country.... boy was I wrong.
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    All that is necessary for the triumph of "evil" is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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    Bubba, that is the thing about this issue. People on the left, right and the middle almost all agree that this is way out of line, but the government isn't listening.

    I really wish they would get the lawsuits going because there is no way this isn't a violation of the 4th amendment.

    Also, something that was revealed is Michael Chertoff, former head of Dept of Homeland Security now works for the company implementing these scanners. He also happened to go on the trip to India with Obama.

    Another issue that came up is several members of Congress are investors in this company. As always, follow the money to find out what's really going on.

    Apparently, there is a bus station in Florida where they have implemented this as well. This is a horrible slippery slope. Please write all of your Congressmen because they are paying attention, but need more encouragement
  15. #17
    This is from the Red vs. Blue guys and it's a hoot.

    Not completely safe for work (language)

  16. #19
    Awesome!

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    See, I just can't believe him because he's smiling while he does it. We all know the government doesn't smile while molesting you. That would just be wrong. 😈

    Good find Sarge!
  19. #24
    That is awesome!

    If I fly, I'm getting one of those.....

  20. #25
    Atomm wrote:That is awesome!

    If I fly, I'm getting one of those.....



  21. #26
    sigh.....