Doc stretches his GFX muscles

Started by DocJon · 19 posts · 2,533 views

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    OK, I have a whole lot to say about a matter ppl will probably care very little about. This will involve several programs and a project I started a couple weeks ago, and will likely make several detours along the way. . .and I won't touch on nearly all of it in just one post. The saga begins. . .

    You may remember /forums/geeks-r-us/anyone-using-an-mp3-player-not-called-winamp-6031/" target="_blank">this post in which I talk briefly about WinAmp, and how it's gone from "new hotness" to "old & busted" in the nearly 11 years I've used it. It used to be small, fast, customizable with cool plugins and skins, and had that "just right" feel. It worked. You knew it would work, work right, and work with a crisp, snappy feel. This was an app that lived to work, and worked to live. No sluggishly-opening windows or menus here. Unlike far too many other programs that seemed like they were perpetually yawning, stretching, and getting up from a break, WinAmp was like a workaholic on crack.

    Well 10+ years, and a company buy-out later, things have changed. After a decade of poorly thought-out, poorly-done upgrades that never seemed to actually do much, the WinAmp brand is a mess. Too many revisions, and not enough labeling has turned searching for skins into Russian Roulette. The version I use, v5.05 (the version before the tampon ads made an unwelcome appearance) can use "modern" skins, but there appears to have been some changes made affecting skinning, because SOME modern skins will work, some will not load, and others will crash WinAmp. So now, WinAmp's pushing ads, bloaty, and all crashy 'n' stuff. It appears that some skins are more "modern" than others, and these skins are not properly labeled as "Modern Skin rev 2" or some such. There's just Classic Skins, Modern Skins, and those red-headed stepchildren, the WinAmp 3 Skins.

    Which brings us to the next subject - Skinning. I got on this subject a week or so ago because I was wanting to make my own skin. It's something I've wanted to do since before I could properly use Photoshop. Who doesn't want their apps working and looking exactly like they'd want it? So I went out looking for skinning info. And I found it. After ten years of amazing popularity, every jerkwater Geocities homepage seems to have instructions on skinning Winamp. The problem? Sorry. The Problems?

    • No one DATES anything on the effin' Internet! Or they didn't in the past, so there's a shit-ton of old info on skinning.
    • The aforementioned issue with skin revisions. Many folks didn't even bother to label their instructions as one of the nominal 3 revisions, so you have no idea what kind of skin they're telling you to make.
    • OK, so screw that. Go to the source and ask the horse - he'll give you the answer that you'll endorse! I visited the WinAmp forums and scoped out their info. There's some good info there, but as I surfed thru the links, I found some of them dead. I go to jump to the part I want to learn about, nothing!


    After a day of stream-of-consciousness WinAmp skin surfing, I'm a bit sick up and fed with the whole WinAmp thing, and I start to rethink my allegiance to the bloated old programming equivalent of Elton John. This once startlingly cool and innovative program has been merely going thru the motions for many years, and it's time to find a program that hasn't lost it's edge. . .

    So I spent a couple hours poking around Google, using such stunning Google-fu as "WinAmp Replacement", "WinAmp Foobar", and my personal favorite, "Best PC software MP3 Player -creative -zen -ipod -zune -sansa", I came up with few candidates. Anything that purported to organize my music collection got tossed - I want a player, not an all-in-one bloat-hog. I already have a small program I use to organize my MP3's - just play the damn things.
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    Eventually, I came across AIMP2. Don't ask me what happened to AIMP1. At a guess, it was sacrificed on a dark altar at an internet backbone crossroads at midnight to facilitate the success of AIMP2. It's a player, not a front-end for an internet store, or a full-featured music organizer - but it has a lot of features in such a small program.

    It's a 3.8 meg DL, compared to 6.45 meg for the latest WinAmp LITE version, but you seem to get a lot more functionality for the smaller program. It's getting late, and thunderstorms are interrupting my posts. I'm gonna paste some stuff from another review below, and pick up this mess later.

    DSP plugins for Winamp work. Your DFX and /forums/geeks-r-us/the-my-favorite-little-utility-thread-4705/" target="_blank">Enhancer will work in AIMP2.

    Here's some 6 month old stuff from this review:
    http://www.tothetech.com/blog/software/aim...dio-player.html
    • Support for a large number of music formats:
      MP1, MP2, MP3, MPC / MP+, AAC, AC3, Ogg, FLAC,APE, WavPack, Speex, WAV, CDA, WMA, S3M, XM, MOD, IT, MO3, MTM, UMX
    • The great functionality and intuitive interface
    • 18-band EQ and built-in sound effects
      Reverb, Flanger, Chorus, Pitch, Tempo, Echo, Speed
    • 32-bit audio processing to achieve the best quality
    • Work with multiple playlists at once
    • Support of modules for functionality enhancement
      You can add new utilities and expand existing, connect such plugins as Input, Gen, DSP from Winamp
    • Shutting down the computer
      You can sleep under favorite music, setting the timer to switch off the computer.
    • Online radio
      Listen and save!
    • Creation of bookmarks and playback queue
    • Hot keys
      Set up local and global hotkeys to your taste!
    • Multilingual interface
    • Multiuser mode
      Several users are working with one computer? No problem.
    • Full Unicode support
    • File search
    • Search files on all open playlists
    • Flexible program settings
    • Small size of program distribution
    • Audio Converter
      Allows you to convert music from a variety of formats to wma, mp3, wav, ogg
    • Audio Grabber
      You can convert AudioCD (CDA) in MP3, OGG, WAV or WMA
    • Sound recording
      Allows you to write the sound from any audio device in the system and save in mp3, ogg, wav and wma format
    • Tag Editor
      You can easily edit tags of audio files, rename group of files, sort out by required template or apply tags’ values to a group of files.
    • Audio Library
      Represents the organizer of music files, which will allow you to easily sort your music, mark listened audios



    I had my doubts about using a program from Russians - trojans and such - but this program has been around for a couple years, and it's popular in Europe. Also, I ran it thru my AVG antivirus, and then submitted the file to one of those multiple AV scan sites to work over before I installed it 🙂

    (Kramer)
    WHO WANTS TO HAVE SOME FUN!?!?!?!?
    (/Kramer)

    One last thing. I've made significant headway on the skin I was working on. The main window and the windowshade/traybar controller are fully skinned, and the playlist is halfway there. Once I finish the playlist and equalizer, I'll be looking for someone to give it a test drive. Remember, AIMP2 can unpack into a 'portable' version, not hooking into your system 😉
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    Sounds cool Doc. I'll check out the program and your skin when it is done. I'm pretty much always hunting around for a lightweight player that doesn't pull too many resources.
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    Sarge wrote:Sounds cool Doc. I'll check out the program and your skin when it is done. I'm pretty much always hunting around for a lightweight player that doesn't pull too many resources.

    Cool, Sarge. I really appreciate it. I've got like 150 gfx parts into this project already - I'll probably be near 200 before I'm done. It's the sort of thing that really requires another set of hands and eyes to work over for non-working parts and graphical glitches. Since I'm gonna put this out on the 'net (and not just keep it to myself), I'd like to go the extra mile. I wouldn't mind an opinion on the gfx either, as long as it's understood I'm not scrapping the whole project to build a player out of bacon strips 🙂

    I should have something ready for you by mid-week. I'd be ready sooner, but I'm going to do some gaming this weekend - Left 4 Dead!

    PS-sorry if the first 2 posts in the thread were a bit rambling. I had to turn of the computer in the middle of the posting due to thunderstorms rolling through, and it got late, so I didn't get to really organize my thoughts. I'll post more later.
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    I was just checking the specs on the rotary endline girder.
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    Bubbaspanky wrote:I was just checking the specs on the rotary endline girder.

    Well, don't just leave us hanging! Who did it?

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    The majority of the GFX work is done now. Next is cleaning up anything I find rough or glitchy, and there are a couple small things I want to redo on the equalizer. Other than that, I have to look at skinning the menus, and that's it.

    The playlist and equalizer aren't pictured, but are fully skinned in the same style.
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    You did all that yourself? Looks way cool......
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    Atomm wrote:You did all that yourself? Looks way cool......

    Yeah, I did it myself. Not only did not one help me make it, but I may be the only person to ever use it. 😀

    I think it looks better in-use than in static pics. The buttons have a "mouse-hover" state, so when you get over them, they change - with a fade-in/out effect as you begin/end the hover. Also have a "press" and a "press-release" state. The little visualizations you can run in the center window are fun as well.

    The only thing I kept from the default skin that ships with the player is the time display to the right of the moon. They're a bitmap of the numbers. I went in and changed the color - hopefully that's enough that no one would bitch about me keeping it. I could use something different - I made different ones for the other numeric displays - but I really like that one 🙂

    I kept much of the style/layout of the default skin. I wasn't looking to make anything crazy innovative. I just wanted something with larger-than-normal buttons, easy to read displays, and easy to use in general. I liked the default skin layout, so I didn't change it much. Even where things looks similar, though, I redid part of it. For example, the amber symbols between the seek bar and the scrolling display (in the little traybar skin below) look very similar to the default, but I changed a few of 'em style-wise, and they're all bigger than they were.

    Hmmm, looks like I didn't need to worry about re-using a couple default skin parts. It seems there is precident.

    Here's my traybar,
    the default traybar
    and another skin's traybar

    So it looks like some borrowing from the default skin is allowed, which is nice. The default skin SHOULD be the jumping-off point for ppl. Why reinvent the wheel?

    BTW, anyone that's still using WinAmp needs to take a look at this. I've used this damn thing so much over the past couple weeks - really hammered the shit out of it. It's very stable and very powerful, while not overwhelming you with features. They are there if you want 'em, and out of the way if you don't.
  10. #10
    Well, it's done.

  11. #11
    Looks great Doc! Nice jorb!
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    That looks cool. Stuff like that is fun to have around.

  13. #13
    DocJon wrote:Well, it's done.


    💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 🤘

    Nice job. Shame I don't listen to mp3s on the computer anymore.
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    Kinda how I felt Lexx but I didn't want to be the jerk to say it ;-)
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    Bubbaspanky wrote:Kinda how I felt Lexx but I didn't want to be the jerk to say it ;-)

    Well I at least downloaded it and took a good look at it. The only mp3's I have are daily radio show rips and this player didn't seem to like lower frequencies.

    Its easier to just play them on my phone then bother to look on a HD for them ;p
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    Heh, zero downloads for the file I posted at Dual Clan. Fortunately, It's getting more play on the AIMP forums. 😀

    You don't listen to MP3's on your computer? What DO you listen to when you're on your computer? I gave up on radio YEARS ago. I only listen to it when I have to now. I know Lexx listens to it, but that's for his conservative talk shows.

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    DocJon wrote:Heh, zero downloads for the file I posted at Dual Clan. Fortunately, It's getting more play on the AIMP forums. 😀

    You don't listen to MP3's on your computer? What DO you listen to when you're on your computer? I gave up on radio YEARS ago. I only listen to it when I have to now. I know Lexx listens to it, but that's for his conservative talk shows.


    I am listening - if anything to the GRB's - 😀 I know I am not always in the mood for this music - so - if I want to listen to something else - I am gonna switch to my songs ond windows media player. When I am back I will download the amp and see to it. It looks great btw. 🙂
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    I stream Sirius, Pandora and NPR when I have things going on my computer.
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    I only listen to Gamers Radio..... Ahem.....